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Commentators Thread Part 5
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27 May 2012 21:05 Post ID: #21862 - in reply to #19450
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Well with the season finally at a close i thought i would just give my opinions on Sky's top 4 commentators.
Having watched more football this season than the past few i took time to have a more detailed listen to them and here are my thoughts,
Martin Tyler.
The guy may well be 65 but has he really been any better in the commentry box?
I remember listening to his world cup final commentry of 1982 and that was nothing compared to this season.
He may not of got all the big games on Sky this season but one thing is for sure his status of number 1 was never touched and the games he did get were mostly master class, perfect words matched to big occassions.
He portrayed every big match as prehaps no other commentator could and brought a great sense of feelings to the viewer which is a must for present day viewing.
The final game of the prem season will prehaps long live in everyones memories, not only the game but also the fantastic choice of words which were found in such a short period of time.
In all honesty however this whole season was a masterclass, you will always get a game you may want to forget but Tyler certainly had very few of those which clearly makes him stand out commentator on TV at the moment. Some thought he may suffer when Andy Gray left but i think if anything he got a whole lot better!! 10/10.

Rob Hawthorne
Where does this guy really stand in the rankings of Sky's commentators?
Had a few good games this season and some big matches but prehaps no way as near as what he should of had.
Season after season i think he is the number 2 and will take over from Tyler but certainly after this season im very unsure.Can not even say he is stand out number 2.
Have to say once Ian Darke left i thought it was there for his taking but far from it, always seems to do enough every season without giving preformances to remember and its this i think he, at the moment wil not go any further.
In my view i would say he should be number 2 but the powers to be clearly have other ideas which is not good for a guy that had a chance to prove himself way back in 2005/6 season.
Not enough big games to prove himself and just wonder if this will change in seasons to come. 7/10

Alan Parry
Maybe the peoples choice of number 2 but not in my books.
Certainly had the big games this season so sky clearly still rate him highly and interesting thats the case even though Rob Hawthorne is much younger.
I thought this season he was rather lost for words during commentry and only had his What a Goal to describe a great strike, so unlike Tyler not the words man thats needed at the time or the occassion and in a short space of time.Screaming and shouting also seems to be popping more often aswell during a goal, all good at times but even better when its saved for the right occassion.
To many big games for me this season and all with a view thathe will clearly not be getting number 1 im afraid. 6/10

Bill Leslie
I can honestly say that i thought once Ian Darke had departed the road was clear for him to make a huge push into the top 3, i was very wrong but prehaps that for a reason?
Even if it was for a reason i thought he could of had more prem games than what he did get this season.
Much like Hawthorne a very steady commentator but still with that famous "Leslie Growl" to shout a goal home.
At times this season i thought at times he showed a little biase towards a team, a good example of that was for Reading when they played Leeds towards the back end of this season.
Sky have many young up and comming commentators so i think the time has come for Leslie to be given his chance and show he can be a realistic number 1 in years to come, otherwise he could be anothe Hawthorne, deemed to not go any further in years to come.
Overall a fair season but nothing spectacular im afarid. 6/10.

Ian Crocker
Not my fav commentator by a long shot but does well and certainly knows his stuff on Scottish football.
Hopefully that is where he will stay but you never know, again sky must of thought lots of him when they asked him back on Darkies departure.
Clearly got backtogive Leslie more time for the English leauge but i will be surprised if he does any live prem work in years to come.
Still very monotone for me and only has the one pitched voice along sometimes with his very predicable lines.
Very much the same as what he was years ago. 5/10
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27 May 2012 23:04 Post ID: #21868 - in reply to #21862
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well folks the final table is now online to view.
http://www.broadcasting.vitalfootball.co.uk/forum/forums/thread-vie...

can i say a big thank you all for sticking with me this season.

its been great fun to do.
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28 May 2012 00:38 Post ID: #21871 - in reply to #21868
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Think it's pretty clear Hawthorne is still #2, but only just. Don't recall him doing many Football League matches (if at all, maybe one early in the season) and Parry, Leslie, and Mann got all of the playoff fixtures.

So it's:

Tyler 1st
Hawthorne 2nd
Parry 3rd
Leslie 4th
Mann 5th
Crocker 6th

But the gap between Parry and Leslie is fairly noticeable.
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28 May 2012 13:32 Post ID: #21873 - in reply to #19450
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Not sure if SS can throw more light on this but i hear that Ian Darke was voted best football commentator by US viwers during this past season., i hear the viewers adore his commentries although it was also mentioned how much more longer will they carry on hearing him after next season.
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28 May 2012 18:39 Post ID: #21874 - in reply to #21873
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I see it on his Wikipedia page but it's unsourced, I'm not sure which award he could've won that's notable or else it would've been in the news.

He was however I think nominated for a Sports Emmy award for his work in the 2011 FIFA Women's World Cup.

Darkie is very popular over here and hopefully ESPN keep their Premier League rights (which expire after 2012-13) so he stays on board.

You will be able to hear him this Wednesday casinoman, as Darke will be commentating on USA v Brazil for ESPN and ESPN UK is broadcasting it.
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28 May 2012 19:03 Post ID: #21875 - in reply to #21874
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SSReporters - 28/5/2012 18:39

I see it on his Wikipedia page but it's unsourced, I'm not sure which award he could've won that's notable or else it would've been in the news.

He was however I think nominated for a Sports Emmy award for his work in the 2011 FIFA Women's World Cup.

Darkie is very popular over here and hopefully ESPN keep their Premier League rights (which expire after 2012-13) so he stays on board.

You will be able to hear him this Wednesday casinoman, as Darke will be commentating on USA v Brazil for ESPN and ESPN UK is broadcasting it.


From UK to Lanover, MD on Weds. and then Warsaw, Poland on Friday. He is really getting those travel miles.
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28 May 2012 19:17 Post ID: #21876 - in reply to #21875
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epl - 28/5/2012 19:03

SSReporters - 28/5/2012 18:39

I see it on his Wikipedia page but it's unsourced, I'm not sure which award he could've won that's notable or else it would've been in the news.

He was however I think nominated for a Sports Emmy award for his work in the 2011 FIFA Women's World Cup.

Darkie is very popular over here and hopefully ESPN keep their Premier League rights (which expire after 2012-13) so he stays on board.

You will be able to hear him this Wednesday casinoman, as Darke will be commentating on USA v Brazil for ESPN and ESPN UK is broadcasting it.


From UK to Lanover, MD on Weds. and then Warsaw, Poland on Friday. He is really getting those travel miles.


Poland on Friday? Do you mean Friday the 8th? Or is he just arriving in Poland a week early for commentary prep?
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28 May 2012 19:21 Post ID: #21877 - in reply to #19450
Token Yank
My commentary awards for 2011-12:

Best Commentator - Martin Tyler
Best Co-Comm - Stewart Robson

Commentary of the Season - Tyler on City 3 QPR 2
Goal Call of the Season - Tyler on Aguero's winner unfortunately
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28 May 2012 19:47 Post ID: #21878 - in reply to #21876
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SSReporters - 28/5/2012 19:17

epl - 28/5/2012 19:03

SSReporters - 28/5/2012 18:39

I see it on his Wikipedia page but it's unsourced, I'm not sure which award he could've won that's notable or else it would've been in the news.

He was however I think nominated for a Sports Emmy award for his work in the 2011 FIFA Women's World Cup.

Darkie is very popular over here and hopefully ESPN keep their Premier League rights (which expire after 2012-13) so he stays on board.

You will be able to hear him this Wednesday casinoman, as Darke will be commentating on USA v Brazil for ESPN and ESPN UK is broadcasting it.


From UK to Lanover, MD on Weds. and then Warsaw, Poland on Friday. He is really getting those travel miles.


Poland on Friday? Do you mean Friday the 8th? Or is he just arriving in Poland a week early for commentary prep?


Whoops my mistake. Thought EURO 2012 was starting this Friday. Wishful thinking I guess.
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28 May 2012 22:38 Post ID: #21882 - in reply to #19450
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Can't see it mentioned, so apologies if it has been, but Ian Darke covered the Carl Froch fight on Sky Sports on Saturday night.
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28 May 2012 22:57 Post ID: #21883 - in reply to #21882
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Anyone heard anything about the international commentators for Euro 2012 yet? TSN is using that feed here in Canada.

Luke Wileman (former BBC radio commentator/producer, I believe) and Jason de Vos (former Canadian international and Dundee United, Wigan and Ipswich player) will present TSN's coverage from Toronto.
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28 May 2012 23:01 Post ID: #21884 - in reply to #21882
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Jamesp84 - 28/5/2012 22:38

Can't see it mentioned, so apologies if it has been, but Ian Darke covered the Carl Froch fight on Sky Sports on Saturday night.


Mentioned in the non-football comm thread.

Think he was down to do the Khan fight too before Peterson tested positive for drugs.
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29 May 2012 02:38 Post ID: #21885 - in reply to #21883
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NB Football Fan - 28/5/2012 22:57

Anyone heard anything about the international commentators for Euro 2012 yet? TSN is using that feed here in Canada.

Luke Wileman (former BBC radio commentator/producer, I believe) and Jason de Vos (former Canadian international and Dundee United, Wigan and Ipswich player) will present TSN's coverage from Toronto.


Big chance world feed comms?
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29 May 2012 10:37 Post ID: #21886 - in reply to #19450
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I hope its not John Helm
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29 May 2012 13:27 Post ID: #21887 - in reply to #21886
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Some various information from press centres that I've bene able to find - don't think these have been posted yet?

Fri 8th June:

Poland V Greece BBC - Steve Wilson & Mark Bright

Russia V Czech Republic - Peter Drury & Jim Beglin


Sun 10th June:
Spain V Italy - ITV - Jon Champion & Craig Burley
Rep. of Ireland V Croatia - Peter Drury & Jim Beglin

Mon 11th June:
England V France - Clive Tyldesley & Andy Townsend

For ITV it looks pretty clear that Tyldesley will be doing the main games in Ukraine, with Drury doing the same in Poland - I'd guess Champion & Burley will then go between the two as appropriate. Ironically the way circumstances have worked out mean Champion & Burley will get one of the best games of the group stage.

Hard to tell for the BBC as there's only been 1 game I've been able to find so far! But it seems a fair bet that Mowbray & Lawrenson will be in Ukraine for the England games and McCarthy will be in Poland for the Ireland ones. So possibly it will be Wilson & maybe Pearce with Bright & McCarthy in Poland and then Mowbray & Brotherton with Lawrenson & Keown in Ukraine.

Does anyone know what happened regarding the commentators at Euro 2000 and the 2002 World Cup (with the matches across two different countries)? Did they generally designate a few commentators to each country or was there regular travelling between the two?

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29 May 2012 13:57 Post ID: #21889 - in reply to #19450
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Good game for Champion and Burley.....not bad at all if they are the 3rd main pairing, nothing against the irish but a far more appealing game.
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29 May 2012 15:15 Post ID: #21890 - in reply to #19450
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On topic of radio commentators does anyone know the line up for TalkSport in the Euro's?
Im i right in saying Andy Gray will be part of it? Has Richard Keys got any part?
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