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26 September 2010 17:37 Post ID: #4686 - in reply to #4681
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FFS what a joke. Evans needs to be shot.
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26 September 2010 18:33 Post ID: #4695 - in reply to #4686
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Newcastle can't be dropping silly points like today, it could become costly.

Our form is atrocious, not winning against Sunderland at home is a major embarrasment. We have one of the worst defences in this league. I wouldn't be surprised if Blackpool beat us next weekend
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26 September 2010 23:56 Post ID: #4712 - in reply to #4686
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SSReporters - 26/9/2010 17:37

FFS what a joke. Evans needs to be shot.


I rate Evans, but he's having an absolute shocker of a season at the moment and needs taking out of the firing line, Davies battered him today, as did Zamora at Fulham and Cahill at Everton. We need Rio back fully fit ASAP, and I really can't see why Fergie persists with O'Shea at RB, Brown and Rafael are far better. We are also desparately short of options in midfield, as Scholes can't cope with 2 games per week now, and Fletcher is suffering as he's having to do the running for 2 of them at the moment, whilst Gibson is just a bit shite (he can shoot and that's about it). Get Anderson, Carrick & maybe Hargreaves back (though I'm not holding out any hope on the latter) and we'll be fine.

That was an opportunity missed though, with Chelsea & Arsenal losing. Who'd have thought the bestest team in the world would drop points in the first remotely tricky fixture they faced
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14 November 2010 22:41 Post ID: #6644 - in reply to #278
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What do people think about the talk about Roy Hodgson being sacked?

He's not the dream man for the job but he's been in the job for just over four months. How much time was Rafa given compared to that! Also I'm sick of fans saying we 'must' get fourth place and CL spot. We won't get it this season and I would take anywhere from 10th upwards for now.

Good to see title race open again, few shaky performances for Chelsea, their last few games against Blackburn, Liverpool, Fulham, Sunderland etc have not been impressive and they have been brought back to earth. If Arsenal hadn't thrown games like Newcastle and West Brom they would currently be top. United must be kicking themselves the amount of chances they've had and they are so lucky with the amount of pure luck they have had.

On a final note, if Holloway leaves Blackpool it would be a shame for them, he is a great character and will surely be an iconic figure for Blackpool from now on and a legend and I can't imagine another manager in their dugout.
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14 November 2010 23:10 Post ID: #6651 - in reply to #6644
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Hodgson for the sack...no. I mean, I'm an outside and haven't seen every game that Liverpool have played, but I always thought you'd start off slowly, and pick up, that has happened to some extent (in that Liverpool are no longer bottom three). Champions League is still a possibilty if you can start winning away games (Bolton aside!) but no better than scraping 4th

I'm still backing Chelsea, don't know what the hell has gone on with Wilkins but they'll narrowly win the title, I'm sticking to my original prediction.

Holloway won't leave, do agree with him though, in future should an FA committee ratify every lineup?

And finally, Elmander's goal! He's been brillliant this season, we've been brilliant at times, and I seriously think we have a chance of getting back into Europe.


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16 November 2010 15:35 Post ID: #6684 - in reply to #3689
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The Exiled Wanderer - 11/9/2010 20:12

I can see why they're upset with the likes of individual tackles, like the Shawcross and Martin Taylor incidents, because they inflicted serious injuries, but I was struck by the hypocrisy last year when some Arsenal fans were almost condoning Gallas' tackle on Mavies (Mark Davies for the rest of you), in the end he wasn't out for too long but it looked awful at the time



Im sorry i've just seen this, how was Gallas' tackle awful? It was mis-timed at best, it should of been a free kick and maybe a yellow, and was certainly a shame it led to a goal but im sorry, he never left the ground or slid in.

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16 November 2010 20:38 Post ID: #6700 - in reply to #6684
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Mistimed tackles are bad tackles apparently, if you listen to some

I'm not saying it's the worst tackle in the history of football ever, my point was that we've had to put up with years of opposition fans whinging because we're "physical", but as soon as a Bolton player is injured by an Arsenal player in a tackle which, for the record, I thought was a yellow (no more no less) then you have some Arsenal fans going on about it being revenge and all that crap.

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16 November 2010 21:30 Post ID: #6702 - in reply to #6644
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lfcred - 14/11/2010 22:41

What do people think about the talk about Roy Hodgson being sacked?

He's not the dream man for the job but he's been in the job for just over four months. How much time was Rafa given compared to that! Also I'm sick of fans saying we 'must' get fourth place and CL spot. We won't get it this season and I would take anywhere from 10th upwards for now.

Good to see title race open again, few shaky performances for Chelsea, their last few games against Blackburn, Liverpool, Fulham, Sunderland etc have not been impressive and they have been brought back to earth. If Arsenal hadn't thrown games like Newcastle and West Brom they would currently be top. United must be kicking themselves the amount of chances they've had and they are so lucky with the amount of pure luck they have had.

On a final note, if Holloway leaves Blackpool it would be a shame for them, he is a great character and will surely be an iconic figure for Blackpool from now on and a legend and I can't imagine another manager in their dugout.


I think it would be a mistake if you sacked Hodgson. Dalglish would not improve things, of that I'm certain. The ownership issue can't have helped matters, but it has always surprised me that Benitez has escaped pretty much scot-free for his part in Liverpool's current predicament, he complained about lack of money, yet signed some utter dross during his time there, Hodgson has already made his opinion perfectly clear on Glen Johnson, and then there was £20m on Aquilani!

As for the title race, it's between Chelsea, Arsenal & United, but christ knows where it's going. city's performance in the derby was shocking for a side playing at home, with supposed aspirations of winning the league. Spurs are the same as ever, amid all the whingeing about Nani's goal against them the other week, it's been largely ignored that they once again failed to do anything in a game away at a big side.
For all the fawning over Chelsea, they've looked distinctly average against any half-decent sides that they've played. Hopfully Sunderland's performance at the weekend might encourage teams to actually try and beat them at Stamford Bridge, too many sides go there and expect to get beaten without having a go.
I'm amazed United are where we are, considering how bad we've been on occasions. Villa on Saturday was diabolical until it went to 2-0 (it could have been 5 or 6 by that point). That said, we've thrown points away against Everton, Fulham, West Brom, and should really have beaten city last week. If we can get Rooney back and firing (though a nagging part of me still thinks he might be going in January) we'll improve, and we know how to handle the run-in.
Arsenal at times look very very good (I was impressed by them at Everton at the weekend), but they are dropping some very silly points, and they have shown a tendency to slip during the run-in to the end of the season.

Regarding Holloway, he is beginning to get on my tits a bit, however he is totally right on the issue about weakened teams. The PL brought in this rule about having a 25-man squad at the start of the season, so surely he should be allowed to select anyone from that list? Had they won the game against Villa, there wouldn't have been a peep about it from anyone. The trouble is that the PL have set a precedent by fining Wolves last season (though the cynic in me thinks that was partly because it happened at Old Trafford, which is tantamount to match-fixing in the eyes of the media).
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19 November 2010 20:13 Post ID: #6780 - in reply to #6702
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Ray Wilkins leaving will be the downfall of Chelsea.
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30 December 2010 22:19 Post ID: #8375 - in reply to #278
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OK, as seen above I've given Hodgson time and a fair chance, but since the defeat to the Toon I've began to get fed up. The Utrecht game was dire and I was paying half attention for the end of last night's game. Time for the owners to listen to the fans. Hodgson out, Dalglish in TEMPORARILY to the end of the season, steady the ship, lift spirits and get us into top half. Ship out likes of Ngog, Konchesky, Poulsen, Glen Johnson, I'd also get rid of Skrtel. Move Carra into a coach type role, maybe helping out players like Kelly, Wilson who should be moved up into regular bench/starting 11 players, Eccleston and Pacheco assist in attack, also Jovanovic needs more of a shot. Carra still plays the few but often sat next to Kenny on the bench. End of season, bring in a proper manager and if none can be found stick with Kenny depending on how he did.

OK, the title race. At the moment Chelsea don't stand a chance on current form. Don't write them off yet but I can see them getting 2nd/3rd at best, perhaps City will collapse under the pressure or Arsenal will have a bad run as has happened many times before. Redknapp can shut up, Spurs will not be the league champions. Bolton won't but they've progressed really well and deserve their position now same with Sunderland. Arsenal, City and United. I don't think City. United could be flying ahead atm but despite the games they've threw, they have produced title winning football. With games in hand, it's theirs to lose. Arsenal can produce title winning football, in the last few years they've got themselves into a good positon but have collapsed round March/April time.

Christmas title prediction: United. Not knee jerk reaction. But I don't think they'll be unbeaten. People barely mention the fact Chelsea lost 1 game in 0405, and that was lost by a penalty. Because Arsenal have done it very recently, the achievement wouldn't be as much as a shock.

Relegation: At the moment Wolves and the Hammers IMO are nearly certainties. Again, no knee jerk reactions, West Ham have won a few games recently, Grant should keep his job but I can't see them getting out of this. Last night Wolves will have recieved a confidence boost but I cannot see either team getting out. Who knows for place 3... interesting times
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30 December 2010 23:22 Post ID: #8377 - in reply to #278
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RE: Liverpool - From the view of an outsider looking in, I have to admit that last night surprised me quite a bit. From what I've seen of Liverpool this season (admittedly not a lot), it seems like you're actually getting worse, not better. I thought you were pretty dire at our place early in the season, despite getting back to 2-2, but that was nowhere near as bad as at Newcastle the other week, or last night. Torres looks like he'd rather be anywhere but Anfield, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he left soon, even the Liverpool fans I know would gladly see the back of him if his current form and apparent lack of enthusiasm continues.

Liverpool fans have always had a reputation of not getting on the manager's back, hence why I think Benitez escaped so lightly for his part in your plight, so for them to turn so openly on Hodgson last night was quite surprising. Mass booing on that scale is what you'd expect from the likes of Newcastle or Man city. Hodgson's comments about the support afterwards pretty much signed his own death warrant, and I think if we beat you in the Cup, he'll be gone, if not before. As for a replacement, I've no idea, although I think re-appointing Rafa would be a massive backward step, not that I think it'll happen.

Title - I think United are now the favourites, however I'd be much more confident if we could close out games away from home. Despite the ineptitude of the officials the other night, we should have had that won comfortably before Birmingham even started to have a go. city are city, being beaten at home by Everton when having the chance to go top is absolutely typical of that club's existence, and why they are an endless source of comedy to United fans. As much as it sickens me, I think they probably will win it eventually, though maybe not for a couple of years. I'm not convinced by Arsenal, beating Chelsea then dropping points at Wigan is an all too familiar tale for them, no consistency whatsoever. As I said in my post a few weeks ago, I always thought Chelsea were extremley over-hyped, and so it has proved, I was gutted when our game with them was called off, as I think we would have turned them over.

Relegation - A bit of an odd one, as nobody seems to be getting cut adrift, just when you think teams are getting stuck they pull a result out, such as Wolves last night, West Ham at Fulham, Fulham at Stoke etc. I still think Wigan and Wolves will go, but I'm not sure about the other spot. West Ham have looked pretty dreadful on occasions, but I think their squad is a bit better than it looks, and there are signs they're turning it round.
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30 December 2010 23:35 Post ID: #8378 - in reply to #8377
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Jamesp84 - 30/12/2010 23:22

RE: Liverpool - From the view of an outsider looking in, I have to admit that last night surprised me quite a bit. From what I've seen of Liverpool this season (admittedly not a lot), it seems like you're actually getting worse, not better. I thought you were pretty dire at our place early in the season, despite getting back to 2-2, but that was nowhere near as bad as at Newcastle the other week, or last night. Torres looks like he'd rather be anywhere but Anfield, and it wouldn't surprise me at all if he left soon, even the Liverpool fans I know would gladly see the back of him if his current form and apparent lack of enthusiasm continues.

Liverpool fans have always had a reputation of not getting on the manager's back, hence why I think Benitez escaped so lightly for his part in your plight, so for them to turn so openly on Hodgson last night was quite surprising. Mass booing on that scale is what you'd expect from the likes of Newcastle or Man city. Hodgson's comments about the support afterwards pretty much signed his own death warrant, and I think if we beat you in the Cup, he'll be gone, if not before. As for a replacement, I've no idea, although I think re-appointing Rafa would be a massive backward step, not that I think it'll happen.


Last night was the third time this season I've said "this is the worst I have ever seen us play," after Blackpool at home and Stoke away. That isn't even including Northampton at home because that was a youth team. Hodgson's got us playing horrible football, putting players out of position and fast alienating players like Reina, Torres and Agger.

As far as Torres is concerned, I'd be massively pissed off if the game plan was centred on long balls being hoofed up to me. Yes, his heart's not looked in it, but I don't think he's happy at all with how we're playing and how far we've fallen. Personally, I think we need to build the team around players like Torres, not sell him. 8 of the players involved yesterday played against Real Madrid when we beat them 4-0. That shows how far we've come.

A word on the reaction of the fans last night. It takes a lot for the Kop to turn on our manager like that. Last season was very disappointing, but when the players and manager came round on their goodbye lap of the ground after our final home game of last season, there was a good deal of chanting in support of Benitez on the Kop. We never turned on Benitez as a collective. There've been a few chants for Dalglish at aways this season (notably Stoke), but it hasn't really caught on at home. Taking N'gog off last night was the last straw, and it was a very significant moment, in my opinion, that the first time Hodgson's name has been chanted on the Kop was "Hodgson for England!". He didn't exactly try to heal the rift in his post-match comments either. The man's an embarrassment, we're a shambles, and he needs binning sharpish.

Edited by Li4m 30/12/2010 23:38
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30 December 2010 23:52 Post ID: #8379 - in reply to #8377
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The Liverpool thing is almost becoming similar to us and Megson - large sections of fans wanting the manager out, booing the manager, negative football, feelings of hopelessness, and this "I am getting used to it, that is the way it is. We've had to live with that for quite a long time now as ever since I came here the famous Anfield support has not really been there." could quite easily have come out of the mouth of the ginger idiot himself.

Never mind, you play us on NYD. We have a habit of giving teams results when they need them. Liverpool at home, Chelsea away examples already this season!

As for the second half of the season, for me

Title: Man Utd. Pains me to say it, but now they're on top, I think they'll be hard to knock off. They will lose at some point, and may lose quite a few times. But they have one of the strongest first XI's, the been done that got the T shirt factor and at the moment a stronger SQUAD than Chelsea

Top 4: Chelsea, Arsenal and City in that order. Chelsea will mount a challenge but need reinforcements in January. Don't be afraid to try the kids either. Arsenal are dangerous but their defence may let them down. I just can't see City staying in the title race all the way this season, they'll drop off and I predict they'll be mathematically out of it by the end of April. They still have Arsenal, United and Chelsea away too.

Tottenham will be 5th, I honestly feel we can finish 6th, I've been drinking but I'm serious there, if we can keep some clean sheets then why not the way we're playing and having a go at everyone? Liverpool, Everton, Sunderland and Villa for rest of top half.

Relegation - West Ham will go down, they may have won against Fulham, but that's not too much different to Grant's Portsmouth side, who had a good record against the teams around them, but couldn't beat anyone else. They'll stay within touching distance but they won't get out. Other places are hard to call, I'll go for Wigan and possibly Newcastle, as they'll probably just implode if they aren't a "big story" for three weeks
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06 January 2011 00:20 Post ID: #8579 - in reply to #8379
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Chelsea are sunk.

And I love it.
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06 January 2011 01:33 Post ID: #8583 - in reply to #8579
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SSReporters - 6/1/2011 00:20

Chelsea are sunk.

And I love it. :D


Yep
As evenings of football go, that couldn't have gone much better for us really, could it?
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28 January 2011 16:14 Post ID: #9679 - in reply to #278
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I don't know how we do it but we keep on winning.

Set piece marking is a mess though.
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28 January 2011 16:45 Post ID: #9680 - in reply to #9679
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I think you'll lose a few between now and the end of the season. Something will give at some point. Almost certainly win the title though
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